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03 April 2008 @ 09:20 am
Linda Grant on the nature of fiction  
Bang on the nail, madam. Right on every count.


She gave me a stare, at first appraising, then bewildered, then accusing. "You're too young!" she cried. "You couldn't have written that book - you weren't there." It was true, I was not in Palestine in the last days of the British Mandate. "Then none of this happened to you?" she said. "Nothing. I made it all up. It's fiction."

One of the worst things about misery memoirs (apart from the fact that they're unreadable; so the writer had a lousy childhood, why should I give a damn?) is that they seem to have confused readers about what to expect from fiction, particularly when they encounter the "I" voice, which against their apparent expectations is almost always a lie. Not only that, there seems to be a feeling in some readers that fiction based on truth is intrinsically superior to invention, which has always seemed to me if anything the reverse of the case.

I sometimes get queries from A-level students along the lines of "in your poem about the sandman, who's the woman on the beach?" If I reply; well, she's the poem's protagonist, I get the comeback "no, I mean who is she in your life, is it you, your mother, a friend?" When, like Grant, I reply "she's someone I made up for the purposes of the poem", I sense disappointment, as I do if I explain that even when poems are partly based on truth, writers monkey around with the facts, change he to she, set it in a different place, write a better ending than real life did.

The poem I get the most queries about is
The Beautiful Lie

He was about four, I think... it was so long ago.
In a garden; he'd done some damage
behind a bright screen of sweet-peas
- snapped a stalk, a stake, I don't recall,
but the grandmother came and saw, and asked him
"Did you do that?"

Now, if she'd said why did you do that,
he'd never have denied it. She showed him
he had a choice. I could see in his face
the new sense, the possible. That word and deed
need not match, that you could say the world
different, to suit you.

When he said "No", I swear it was as moving
as the first time a baby's fist clenches
on a finger, as momentous as the first
taste of fruit. I could feel his eyes looking
through a new window, at a world whose form
and colour weren't fixed

but fluid, that poured like a snake, trembled
around the edges like northern lights, shape-shifted
at the spell of a voice. I could sense him filling
like a glass, hear the unreal sea in his ears.
This is how to make songs, create men, paint pictures,
tell a story.


I think I made up the screen of sweet-peas.
Maybe they were beans, maybe there was no screen:
it just felt as if there should be, somehow.
And he was my - no, I don't need to tell that.
I know I made up the screen. And I recall very well
what he had done.



Kids invariably want to know who was who; was the grandmother yours (one asked if I was the grandmother!); was the boy your brother. I explain, patiently, that the whole point of the poem is that you can't ever know; the writer is a liar and you have to accept that, because the lie is the way into the kingdom of story. But I sense that they want desperately to pigeonhole things, perhaps because exam questions are slanted that way.
 
 
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Lilli Burlero: cawfee[info]lilliburlero on April 3rd, 2008 12:35 pm (UTC)
This is harsh, and might offend some, but here goes. I think people who ask questions like that don't really understand or like poems. Sometimes a poem will resonate with them, and they'll enjoy it, but not as a poem. It could be prose, or a painting, or a piece of music (and odds on, though not always, they'll have a similar undiscriminating attitude to those art forms too.) Too many of these people end up studying English, because in many schools English teaching is no more than a mishmash of paraphrasing and emoting about texts, which allows the poem-deaf to slip though the net and end up at my door and yours. I was talking about Barthes' distinction between the lisible and the scriptible yesterday, and how it's really not a distinction between types of text but types of reader, or modes of reading. One student said that she reads in a "scriptible" way when she's doing work for college but slips back with relief to a passive, "lisible" mode when reading for pleasure. It was all I could do not to say I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible you may be mistaken in your choice of a career, because it's going to make you, and the kids you teach, absolutely miserable.
Sheenagh Pugh[info]sheenaghpugh on April 3rd, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
Do you have a quick reference where I can find that Barthes thing? It sounds interesting.
Lilli Burlero: words[info]lilliburlero on April 3rd, 2008 03:23 pm (UTC)
It's in S/Z; there's a summary of S/Z here: http://www.litencyc.com/php/sworks.php?rec=true&UID=10346, at the Literary Encyclopaedia, if your institution subscribes -- it's by a chap who once said in response to a paper I gave on allegory that [Mockney] "allegory is, like, a fuckin' 'oover, yeah, it sucks everyfink up", but I don't hold that against him.

Simply, the lisible ("readerly") text is one that assumes the reader's passivity and its own bookness, i.e. the dominant form of literature under capitalism; whereas the scriptible ("writerly") text is one that draws the reader into an active nexus with the text and author.

Edited at 2008-04-03 03:24 pm (UTC)
fencerkath[info]fencerkath on April 3rd, 2008 01:28 pm (UTC)
fiction, truth and fact
I think what's needed is a distinction between fact and truth. I don't think there's any need for fiction or poetry to be factual but I think there is a requirement for it to bear a relation to truth, though not in the literally reductive sense.

It's interesting to look at this in relation to Auden. He was criticised for ommitting certain poems from his Collected Poetry on the grounds that they were "dishonest". He was also criticised for the playful and serious poem "The Truest Poetry is the Most Feigning", which seems to me to address the nature of poetry while questioning the political responsibilities of the poet (as poet).

I should admit that I sometimes feel uncomfortable about poetry's praise of rulers (e.g. Virgil's praise of Augustus), especially when I think it's there solely to please a patron. I can accept Ben Jonson's poem On Penshurst and Dryden on Charles II because of the playfulness but I'm uneasy with Milton's sonnet to Cromwell, even though I'm a great Milton fan, because something rings false there. I'd like to think this was a purely aesthetic judgement but I think that I may also be condemning inauthenticity, even though I mistrust the quest for the "authentic."

Plainly this needs more thought but I'd be interested in any responses.
Sheenagh Pugh: Heslop from Porridge[info]sheenaghpugh on April 3rd, 2008 01:51 pm (UTC)
Re: fiction, truth and fact
I don't mind them wanting truth, if by that they mean some degree of honesty in the feeling, (though personally I am with Bob Monkhouse: sincerity is the most important thing and once you can fake that, you're made). I don't think poetry has to be in any way heartfelt to work, but I can see the other viewpoint. I just wish they wouldn't equate "truth", whatever it is, with autobiography.

Re praise-poems, they were a job poets did, an exercise for showing off skill, and actually I think you can always tell, if you want to, whether the poet "meant" it or not. A good example of one who didn't is Egil Skallgrimsson's "Head-Ransom", written for the reason it says on the tin, in praise of King Eirik Bloodaxe, whom he detested. Egil makes it so clear his heaped-up praise is empty convention that I wonder Eirik didn't see it; you would think even a king would have twigged.

By contrast Hartmann von Aue's grief for his dead patron (go here and scroll down a bit) is fairly obviously sincere. I don't know that one is a better poem than the other, though. Just different.
fencerkath[info]fencerkath on April 3rd, 2008 05:29 pm (UTC)
Re: fiction, truth and fact
Thanks for those thoughts on praise-poems and for the link to Hartmann von Aue (a useful reminder of a good poem and good translation). I'll have to look up Egil Skalgrimsson. I wonder if the Sidneys found Jonson's excess in "Penshurst" embarrassing or whether they took the obvious jokiness as another witty compliment on their familiarity with (and use of) poetic convention.

There are circumstances in which I don't mind obvious cynicism, nor game-playing, nor deliberate lies. Yet there are circumstances where the poem cries "fake", like Larkin's reference to "the holy end" (I think) in "Church-Going" when I'm sure, given his other references, that he knows the word "chancel". I don't think I'm just objecting to an inconsistent persona here, although I could claim that's all it is - something in the back of my mind tells me Larkin's phrase is disingenuous to the point of dishonesty. I also wonder how I'd feel if a republican wrote a good poem in praise of the queen in order to get the job of poet laureate. Part of this is the difficulty of separating knowledge of the poet from the poem. When I have that knowledge, I can't un-know it - I always mistrusted New Criticism because it seemed to demand that readers pretend lack of knowledge of biography and certain kinds of context. But this is moving into an adjacent area.

It's interesting that you say that we can tell if the poet "meant" it, because that relates back to a wish for knowledge and authenticity, though at a more sophisticated level than the readers looking for unelaborated autobiography.

By the way, there's a nice article by Augusta Webster in the mid-late C19th in which she writes of the difficulty of writing dramatic monologues - something along the lines of writing a poem about a murderous grandmother and getting responses which speculate about whether it was her mother's or her father's father.
entropy_house[info]entropy_house on April 3rd, 2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
IMO-- long ramble probably of no earthly use...
I think the problem is that human brains are set up to categorize things- it's easy, it saves energy, and biologically speaking, that's generally a pro-survival characteristic.

When you ask a non-artist to draw a person many folks will pull a generic template out of the mind and draw a childish thing that simplifies down to meaningless the human shape, even when they've got a real person to use as a model. They do not know how to overcome the template stuck in their brain.

When you ask a non-poet to think about a poem, the lazy brain way is to consider it a factual report looking only at the surface (particularly if first person is used) rather than use your imagination to analyze what it *means*.

There are exercises that can teach a person how to see artistically. There should be something like that to teach readers to see beyond the surface of literature. For art, various methods are used to force the brain to work beyond the generic template, such as 'blind drawing' 'drawing *around*' 'concentrating on darks and lights' etc.

With poetry perhaps you could dissect the essence of a poem into various things, such as word usage (what associations does the word 'velvet' have, for example), rhythm (make the students use their hands as orchestra leaders to mark the emphasis as the poem is spoken aloud), rhyme (say simple rhymes such as 'pow' and 'cow' or 'feather' and 'whether' and think about the emotional difference between short, hard words and long, soft ones), repetition for impact, visual arrangement of words (why are some sentences broken up in non-standard places), etc. The main thing is to get them to think outside the box.

I think to understand poetry you need the tools, and while some people instinctively possess the tools, other people who lack them may be able to learn them.
Honi Soit Qui Mal's Tight Pants: faithhope[info]executrix on April 3rd, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
Shaw's "Saint Joan" asks "Must a Christ perish in torment in every generation to save those who have no imagination?" and the answer is obviously "Yes" because that's such a large percentage of the population.

I'm tempted to say that it's because they have only one Book in the house and they think every word in it is literally true so that's how they think everybody treats their books. But that would be mean.
Manna: tortoise -- msmanna[info]ms_manna on April 3rd, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
I was going to say 'write genre, because no one expects you to have really flown in a space ship'. But I've had people insist repeatedly and very obnoxiously that I MUST be into BDSM, because of the stories I've written. And when I say, no, sorry, I just made it up, then clearly I must be lying. So, yes, a lot of people seem to want to latch onto something in any form of fiction and try to make it into a truth about the writer.

Maybe in some cases, it's because when a reader find something in a story that they really empathise with, then it creates a feeling of a shared experience, but it's a link with only one end. You can't really share an experience with a book, or even a character in a book, though, because they can't provide any affirmation. So the reader moves on up the chain, trying to find a real human being to connect with and ground the feeling.

I can see why you get a lot of questions about that poem, though. When something is talking about truth and lies an creativity, and you have the person who wrote it right in front of you, then it must be very hard to resist. It's like a sign saying 'Wet Paint - Do Not Touch'.
(Anonymous) on May 2nd, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
Linda Grant's piece got me blogging too. I think it's probably more obvious to the readers of novels that it might be made up, than it is to the readers of poems. Poetry readers brought up on song lyrics just don't have the idea of a persona in a poem - witness the hu-ha when someone like Randy Newman writes songs in a politically incorrect persona which isn't his. They should all be force-fed Browning's dramatic monologues, that'll larn 'em.

My blog piece started off by being cross about this tendency because it implies that all we have to do is jot down a bit of our own lives, and we're writers. But it turned into wondering if there's an underlying puritanical suspicion of the imagination at work here. In a world where authentic feeling is the guarantee of honesty, it's threatening for people to find themselves being moved by things which are made up, moved by trickery, if you like. By contrast it's reassuring to know that it is real, that they can 'trust' it, (just as readers want to 'trust' the history in hist fic), that its authenticity is guaranteed in the only way they understand it: that this stuff actually happened.

(My blog post's here, if anyone's interested: http://emmadarwin.typepad.com/thisitchofwriting/2008/04/rogues-and-vaga.html
Sheenagh Pugh: Do somethin' else![info]sheenaghpugh on May 3rd, 2008 05:53 am (UTC)
it's threatening for people to find themselves being moved by things which are made up, moved by trickery

Yes, I've had people comment that they hate unreliable narrators for much that reason, that they want to be able to "trust the narrative". Which I think is a deeply limiting notion - unreliable narrators are by far the most realistic, and the most fun. It's an attitude that recalls the autistic boy in Haddon's novel who classes metaphors as lies. He can't help it; it's a disability, but many seem to want to share it.
Sheenagh Pugh[info]sheenaghpugh on May 3rd, 2008 05:55 am (UTC)
PS
- thanks for commenting, btw - have added your blog to my links list.
 
 

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